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 Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor

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PostSubject: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:39 pm

Well this topic is about what the title says. Which is better? Slifer or Obelisk.

Obelisk:
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. Cannot be targeted by Spells, Traps, or card effects. During the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the Graveyard. You can Tribute 2 monsters; destroy all monsters your opponent controls. This card cannot declare an attack the turn this effect is activated.

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Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. During the End Phase, if this card was Special Summoned: Send it to the Graveyard. This card gains 1000 ATK and DEF for each card in your hand. When a monster(s) is Normal or Special Summoned to your opponent's side of the field in face-up Attack Position: That monster(s) loses 2000 ATK, then if its ATK has been reduced to 0 as a result, destroy it.

After reading both effects I have decided on this. Obelisk has the highest survival potential, No card effects can activate on the turn he is summoned so there is no way to stop him from touching the field(not even solemn trio can stop him.) and when he is on the field he cannot be targeted by card effects so the only thing you fear is getting hit by one card that everyone runs: Dark hole. With a base attack of 4000 not even skill drain malefics could clear that easily. Based on his effect though you will not be using it much since he can just attack something and deal damage and you can keep your monsters.

Now we come to slifer the Sky Dragon.... I will say it now the artwork on this card is so awesome. When it comes to Slifer he has a low survial ability since he can be torrential, bottomless, raigeki'ed, banished by any Chaos varient, etc (Is also usless when skill drain is active) It doesn't help much that he cannot be summon negated. Also with an effect of depending on hand size to have any amount of attack power is something that most duelist lack. Even though this flimsy dragon is weak and has low chance of surviving he has the greatest potential to destroy any deck in his way. With his effect to reduce any monster that is summoned by 2000 attack and destroy them if their attack reaches 0 recks any deck that can't summon a 2000+ monster on its own, he also makes Obelisk a weak 2000 attack. Slifer also has the potential of being a 6000 attack monster which is higher then any card out there.

What are your oppinions on these cards? Obelisk the Tormentor with his 4000 base who almost impossible to stop, or Slifer the Sky Dragon who has the potential to kill any deck in his path even without a hand size and can potentially be the biggest threat in the match.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:58 pm

Slifer:
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. i think you missed that

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:03 pm

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Slifer:
Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When Normal Summoned, cards and effects cannot be activated. i think you missed that

No only Obelisk and Ra have that effect, The translated Slifer that I read off Doesn't have that effect.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:04 pm

Obelisk. I can Smashing ground Slifer.
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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:08 pm

Never mind he does have that effect lol..... I didn't read slifer All the way..... That is a bitch.
Still slifer dies a lot easier then obelisk.

Also 12 I can attack you with a warrior lady and banish your obelisk and I run waboku's so I won't take much damage. It is strategy that we want not just beacasue he can survive just one card effect. Slifer can destroy a whole deck from doing anything, even your tribute engine for Obelisk will die.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:11 pm

I guess yeah but still i like obelisk better. Slifer dies too easily.
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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:18 pm

Well now that I saw its full effect that kills half the summon stopping. Which makes me want to run slifer more than obelisk because he has that potential and since he does not affect my own cards like obelisk does ( tribute monsters to destroy the field? Even if it's just your opponents field you would have to run a serious tribute engine. Whereas Slifer destroys cards once they hit the field or makes them useless in attack power. Statergy wise I still think Silfer has a better advantage; summoning a big beat stick to make your opponent cry in the corner Obelisk wins.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:20 pm

lol slifer would kill most decks today. For example: inzektors, dino rabbits, anything that xyz or synchros Razz i think chaos dragons are safe cuz of lightpulsar and darkflare

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:23 pm

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lol slifer would kill most decks today. For example: inzektors, dino rabbits, anything that xyz or synchros Razz i think chaos dragons are safe cuz of lightpulsar and darkflare

Not really... Chaos dragons rely on their swarm and high attack to clear their opponents field... So if slifer drops all of them bellow 1000 .... You only need 1 card in hand to be more then a match for chaos dragons lol.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:24 pm

Chaos dragons, the point? CHAOS
Banishing.
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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:29 pm

That you do have a point with, but if they don't get sorcerer or bls they are fucked.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:31 pm

I say we work on a slifer deck and troll people on DN since legit versions of slifer arent available yet Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:32 pm

Yeah exactly. Might roll with slifer in one of my decks lol when i get him in the Roleplay!
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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:33 pm

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I say we work on a slifer deck and troll people on DN since legit versions of slifer arent available yet Razz

Agreed. What tribute engine will you use ? Frogs ? Macro ?

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:33 pm

HEY! MACRO iS MY IDEA!
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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:35 pm

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Yeah exactly. Might roll with slifer in one of my decks lol when i get him in the Roleplay!

Lol if you get all three make a god gadget deck (: with the creator of light and everything xD you summon that card and it is an auto win.


Macro is not your idea.... Everyone knows how survivor works... I even told you about the macro before you even started the deck, Augustine used it against me.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:38 pm

im thinking macro and we could use strike ninja as an engine. Give it a go. deck with scout planes survivors and whatnot Smile have some da eiza incase it comes to a dead draw Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:44 pm

quanrocks11 wrote:
im thinking macro and we could use strike ninja as an engine. Give it a go. deck with scout planes survivors and whatnot Smile have some da eiza incase it comes to a dead draw Smile

If you run macro you can't run strike ninja because he requires dark monsters in your grave. Only scout plane works with strike's effect since it just has to be removed to be SS survivor has to leave the field and be banished. I am thinking of the idea of strike ninja since he can set up a 3 monster tribute with himself and the 2 scout planes. Then I am thinking about fortune ladies since they swarm and their draw power is outstanding, which will give slifer his attack power.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:46 pm

Uhh no i've never heard of it and least of all using macro in an obelisk deck so dont even go there.
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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:47 pm

we should try soul absorption and running a ra too XD that would be awesome. I have no experience with fortune ladies whatsoever but why dont we run some kaisers? they count as 2 tributes for 1 light monster so we can ultimate offering or something and soul absorption can help refill. Also, whats the guarantee you can draw a macro?

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:50 pm

I think Obelisk is still better, because of the base 4000, and the no target...Inzektors will get PWNED with card! xD

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:56 pm

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I think Obelisk is still better, because of the base 4000, and the no target...Inzektors will get PWNED with card! xD


With slifer inzektors never remain on the field.... They die once they are summoned.

Soul absorption would work awesome lol I saw someone gain 5000 life off necroface loo was awesome. Strike will give you 1500 everytime you use his effect, which is really swell but not worth the space in the deck.

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:08 pm

well then any other ideas on the deck? im gonna work on it soon

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:36 pm

I suggest a Semiswarm deck like your blackwings, just focus on getting cards to field and maintaining hand size. You can still run an offensive blackwings and just run one Slifer.
Either then that you could try the strike ninja, run laval chain to send and search cards in your deck, it is a really good card only takes 2 lvl 4's. This way you will be able to run only one slifer and still get it consistently or just use chain to send scout planes to your grave. eg: Summoner monk summons aramgeddon, armageddon sends 1 scout, overlay for laval chain, use effect to send the second one. Now you have the set up for strike ninja. You can also run creeping darkness and banish your scout planes to search out any lvl 4 dark monster (strike, armageddon summoner monk, hanzo, blackwing monsters and so on.)

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PostSubject: Re: Slifer the Sky Dragon VS Obelisk the Tormentor   Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:42 pm

would gold sarco work on scout plane

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